*** Storm (Mohawk) ***

Pylgrim wrote:

First off, being completely honest, have you actually played with her extensively and find her satisfactory? The way you word things sounds as though you are coming from a completely theoretical (and wishful) place, rather than from having experienced it.

See my original qualifier. Not fully covered or leveled, playing devil's advocate here. I have played with her some the way I have her (3/4/5, level 125). Any opinions I express are based on my experience with the character, with the game, and a bit of theory crafting, all in the name of fun. Feel free to ignore it completely if it so pleases you.

Pylgrim wrote:

You must understand that the Dev-lauded ability to accelerate T-U acquisition comes as the trade-off for literally thousands of damage AND coloured AP acquisition from cascades. If T-U is not important to you in a given fight (and you don't seem to disagree with me that the times when T-Us are relevant are far less frequent than the times when they are not) you are getting much, much less from that skill than from her previous Red skill.

TUs are as important to your attack strategy as you make them, and, since her power fuels them, neglecting them while using her is not using her to her full capability. With the current system, using them is difficult. Presumably this will get better with the addition of management tools, i.e. a delete button, and using more powerful TUs more frequently will be easier. Rage of the Panther at level 166 does the same 4000ish damage to the enemy team whether you spent 12 black or 12 TU AP to activate it. A power that gets you more than half way there while doing some damage and potentially causing cascades on a color that is rarely used for active powers has some merit. How much value were you getting out of those hot dogs? Om nom nom.

Pylgrim wrote:

Alright, please explain to me how is she going to facilitate someone else's ruining anyone's day (under the caveat that T-U is not going to be relevant every battle.) Her green is super bad along strike tile users because it randomly destroys the tiles, I really don't know how you may think for a second that she and LDaken should be in the same team (and reinforces my belief that you are being purely theoretical).

I do not agree to your caveat that TUs are not relevant. See above. She facilitates by acting as a battery for other powers on other colors, including TU AP. Her yellow generates that directly and can cause cascades. As for her green, you are the one who seems dead set on featuring it. I'm the one advocating only investing three covers in it. But even so, saying it is "super bad" with strike tiles is false. There is a component of risk/reward to using them, as there is to many things in this game. You could hit every one of your strike tiles with her green, or you could hit none of them and cause a cascade, each match of which adds the strike tile damage. If you've never been violated by a Daken fueled strike tile cascade caused by someone like Rags you can't possibly have been playing this game for very long. This is very much the same thing.

Pylgrim wrote:

Again, you're comparing thousands of additional damage, massive board reconfiguration, and much coloured AP from cascades to crummy, half-the-time-useless 7 T-U AP. The fact that you try to pretend that this is a "debatable" fair trade betrays the idea that you are too invested in being the devil's advocate to consider hard facts.

I am playing devil's advocate, and I stated up front that I don't think she's very good. But that said, I see nothing wrong with my facts. If there are factual errors by all means point them out and I will stand corrected. What I've stated here is an opinion for the purpose of conversation, and I contend that it has merit even if I don't completely agree with it myself. Nothing more, nothing less. Take it for what it is.

Budget Player Cadet wrote:

OnesOwnGrief wrote:

She does still have an AP generating green that's good and can be used to get those high cost non-greens off the ground like "Whales! Whales! Whales!" and "Rage of the Panther." You don't have to focus her on Team-Up AP generation but she still has some worth for cascades and generating AP. You also still have the option of burning people down if this get hairy.

Or I could just Berserker Rage, win in a handful of turns, and have the advantage of my character having far greater health and health regen...

Berserker Rage tends to be heavily in the AI's favor when you don't have Magneto to hide behind, and Magneto is plain overpowered so the fact that he makes Berserker Rage an instant win button isn't any more broken compared to how he can virtually win games with 5 blue AP.

Note that if you wimp out with 3 in Berserker Rage you'd be better off running Black Panther in the first place who also uses 9 AP to generate roughly the same strength of strike tiles without any drawbacks.

atomzed wrote:

I got a black cover for Punk storm and I wondering whether I should respec her.

Currently my Ororo is 5/5/3.

I am not sure whether to respec her to 4/5/4 or 5/4/4 (with eventual aim of 5/3/5).

While I don't like the current yellow, it's the only reliable way of getting TU tiles. It's a huge change from 4 cover to 5 cover, so I am inclined to keep it at 5 yellow.On the same note, the green cover only increase by 2 tiles which I can live with it.

On the other hand, there is a argument to keep her as 5/5/3 as an AP generator. But I like her black as it also block off World Rapture.

Comments anyone?

I feel like 5 black for her is a must. As a WR blocker alone it's worth it, and if you have any strike tiles out you'll be double dipping forever because they won't be able to clear all of them. As for green vs. yellow, it's up to playstyle. I'm a huge fan of board shakeup and AP gen skills so I went 5 green. But 5 yellow will get better once they fix team-ups a bit.

I really want to like Mohawk but she just isn't good in the 3 star range. All of her abilities are mediocre, if fun. In PvE where you have a bit more leeway and juggle teams I could see getting some use out of her, but she's definitely a tertiary character.

It sucks because all of her abilities need to be fully covered to be viable. I want her green to be good because I want to play like I did in the one star range but 3 star range is just so much faster that it's not totally reasonable. I could see her green maybe being ok in PvE against goons, but in that situation it's almost certainly better to fire off an ability that will cripple or end the game rather than rolling dice and hoping you get rid of some countdowns with otherwise little gain.

Yellow will also give you some board shake up, and TU can be powerful if used appropriately -- allowing you to bring a loki ability into the mix, a heavy hitter like wind storm (for 2 star) or something like World Rupture -- but as others have said, a lot of the time it's better to just bring that character. As a plus it's hard to disrupt TU abilities, and I don't think you can steal the AP at all? The downside is actually getting the abilities you want, and they're one use only.

Black? Yeah, it puts out some alright damage and can block a lot of tiles but it's not going to last long. Long enough, for sure. Black is probably her best ability